REOs the truth and nothing but the truth

Just got back from a mandatory REO agent conference. Cost 149.00 plus 2 days of really aggravating reprimands,, threats and some really demeaning reality. Oh and 109.00 per night hotel costs plus 2 days away from all of my other work which pays the bills. The cost to be a chosen REO agent . 499.00 in the first few weeks for "training" Funny considering I have been doing REO work longer than the people who wrote the "training course". (and they were not even a Realtors) Then another 199.00 to be added on the platform. Cost of the signs and marketing material which are mandatory for the asset owner.

So far 1200.00 in expenses - income 0 for this new company, one of the now 15 I work with. One I have worked with for 16 years now.

What I learned, well as a veteran REO agent of over 16 years I learned I have gone backwards. I am a broken person who has sunk to the lowest depth any agent ever imagines. All REO agents have become mere robots/ tools of the REO asset owner. As Dangerfield quipped “No respect no respect at all!!” 16 years ago I was paid very well in the REO field. Not many agents wanted to list the worn down un-kept "dirty properties" Fewer yet wanted to show clients these low priced fixers. So I listed them and almost always sold them and was paid 6.5 % with no fees. No platform fees, no referral fees, no fees at all. I was also paid a management fee to oversee the trash outs clean ups and maintenance. A 2500 minimum to assist in a cash for keys, 50.00 for the listing BPO for that asset and for each BPO I did after getting the listing. The BPOs were a one page 15 minute form with 3 sold and 3 actives. One liners and a few comments on the bottom. No status reports were ever called for and there was no mandatory anything other than just sell the asset. I was valued and treated as a skilled professional by the asset owners. The list price was set and if someone , anyone made an offer in the first 24 hours that was close to the list price, well it was sold. No long drawn out drama filled waiting period or wild price expectations. All utilities were put directly into the asset owner’s name and mailed by the utility companies to that asset owner. I paid for nothing, billed nothing and was never expected to be responsible up front for a single thing the property required.

Fast forward to today. I am expected to have 5000.00 in reserve for each property I am assigned for repairs , past due taxes, past due HOA fees and anything else that may be required. I am expected to bill all my expenses and pay 5.00 per invoice, wait 6 weeks to 90 days or even longer to get reimbursed, Of course I can not charge interest or a service charge. Just lend the money free of charge to multimillion dollar corporations. I am expected to do weekly status and condition reports, weekly full property checks with pictures, monthly BPOs free of charge within 2 days of the request. Now that BPO is a 3 page form, more detailed than any full appraisal. It takes about 2 hours to complete and has some really ridicules demands as well. I now an expected to do cash for keys and even assist in evictions all free of charge. All utilities and security deposits for them are in my name and mine to pay. I now get 2% to 2.5 % commission maximum(many are a straight 1000.00 for any property 100 K and under) with a 140 to 175.00 charge per listing for platform fees at closing. Out of my commission I also pay a referral fee to the assignment or asset company. I have to carry 500,000, to 1 million E & O. Which is very expensive if you do CFKs or eviction work, which is mandatory for all REO agents. I also have to carry a personal liability policy for 4 million and show proof of both every 6 months to a year. I have to pay for at least one yearly background check. Pay a yearly platform fee of no less than 400.00 yearly . A yearly education course fee of no less than another 400.00 and now mandatory conferences at my expense no reimbursement and no escape from attending, they are mandatory! Now I have "report cards " with categories for everything from BPO % to DOM averages to Owner occupant versa investor sales. I am expected to print or buy all the asset owners marketing materials including signs and brochures for their mortgage divisions. Send them buyer leads , also known as recaptures and give them monthly reports of the leads I send. Now I am reduced to a non respected very used, controlled and low paid unwanted necessity in the REO world.

So every time I see or hear any agent say " How can I get into REOs?" I shake my head and say "be a greeter at Walmart. It is easier, much more profitable and yes you can keep your self esteem and even some dignity too."

Yesterday, today , what will it be tomorrow? Well my guess is an REO agent will be expected to work for free. Don't laugh or doubt it HUD actually did do this for a while. It is coming if we do not stop and say "No more!!" I am now devoting time to re establishing my conventional Real Estate practice. Let the starry eyed REO agent wanna bees have the REOs and let the asset owners ….well you know where I am going here.

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  • Reminds me of 20 years ago. I took on a new construction project. It drained me of time and energy. In the end I realized I was not much more that an employee of the builder. My regular business was almost depleted I vowed never to give up my independence again.  Fight on fellow survivors ! 

  • Before my husbands unexpected death in 2005, I worked with him selling REOs for a regional bank. There was a local person and office  he worked with to list and sell their properties. The bank appreciated his hard work and suggestions.  Once it was sold to another bank in 2005,  the office was eliminated and everything was outsourced. Maybe as the REO market lessens, it may be hard for some of those outsourcing companies to be so demanding.

  • AGREE!!!    I've even dropped way down on BPOs... they have to be very close to my home and only with certain companies (the ones that actually pay and pay a fair price).

  • More of that "Change" so many people voted for. I wonder how much of the minutia we are required to perform is driven by an official in a government office while overseeing the hated private sector leech trying to make an honest living.

  • Great assessment of the industry.  I quit REO listings several years ago when I took a close look at my balance sheet.  
    There is another frustrating side of this.  Those of us that work with buyers and/or do BPOs have to contend with poor or no response from the REO agents. We have a couple of "senior" agents that do well, but there are several that fail to return calls, don't have lockboxes on for days and often no utilities (which I'm sure they are required to in most cases).  
    I can understand their frustration, but if they are not going to manage the property, it's time to get out of the REO business.

  • Gave up on REO quite a while ago, it makes no $$$, BPOs are just as bad! Realtors ought to demand more respect!

  • Barbara, thank you so much for this post and explaining the details.  They never tell you everything but make it look like a profitable, honorable, such an exclusive group that as a Realtor I have always wanted to be a part of.  I enjoy working with my buyers and sellers.  There is respect and dependability and at the end of a sale, the sparks in your clients eyes are worth a million $$!

  • You're right.  I stopped doing REO's about 6 months ago and I'm so less stressed!  There is other business out there.  We're smart and we work hard.  We just have to get back to basics and the business comes.

  • Amen ! - I only do a few BPO's for pocket change, even those have become more trouble than they are worth. I did a few REOs years ago and it was no hassle and it was profitable. I am not interested in being subservient to these companies without any respect and for such little pay considering what they expect and demand of you. IMHO, a residential BPO should pay at minimum, not taking travel distance into account, $100 Ext. and $150 Int. Actually now, I'm  only interested in doing a few commercial BPOs because they pay more. Anyway Barbara, good post and so true, more work, more aggravation, more responsibility, more liability, definitely more expense, and more grey hair for less money. If they expect professional work they should pay a professional fee. Just my 2 cents....

  • Thanks Barb for the reminder of what we are capable of doing. I must agree that our personal business done right adds excitement and joy with clients and creates a bond that can last decades. Been doing this business for 32 years now and fell into REO's by accident helped an asset manager who liked what i did and continued to give me assets but of course all good things must end he left. I got into this business to help people as a way of life not a job and it has provide for me and my family. My assistant Ida who was my partner, friend, transaction coordinator, marketer, bookkeeper, coach and hero passed away from ovarian cancer after 5 year battle with it. She watched and kept me together but as she lost her will to fight. I will always remember her words: Don't kiss anybody's ass for something you can do somewhere else and enjoy. Barb keep your chin up and good things will happen to those who chose to follow there heart and dreams.

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