REOs the truth and nothing but the truth

Just got back from a mandatory REO agent conference. Cost 149.00 plus 2 days of really aggravating reprimands,, threats and some really demeaning reality. Oh and 109.00 per night hotel costs plus 2 days away from all of my other work which pays the bills. The cost to be a chosen REO agent . 499.00 in the first few weeks for "training" Funny considering I have been doing REO work longer than the people who wrote the "training course". (and they were not even a Realtors) Then another 199.00 to be added on the platform. Cost of the signs and marketing material which are mandatory for the asset owner.

So far 1200.00 in expenses - income 0 for this new company, one of the now 15 I work with. One I have worked with for 16 years now.

What I learned, well as a veteran REO agent of over 16 years I learned I have gone backwards. I am a broken person who has sunk to the lowest depth any agent ever imagines. All REO agents have become mere robots/ tools of the REO asset owner. As Dangerfield quipped “No respect no respect at all!!” 16 years ago I was paid very well in the REO field. Not many agents wanted to list the worn down un-kept "dirty properties" Fewer yet wanted to show clients these low priced fixers. So I listed them and almost always sold them and was paid 6.5 % with no fees. No platform fees, no referral fees, no fees at all. I was also paid a management fee to oversee the trash outs clean ups and maintenance. A 2500 minimum to assist in a cash for keys, 50.00 for the listing BPO for that asset and for each BPO I did after getting the listing. The BPOs were a one page 15 minute form with 3 sold and 3 actives. One liners and a few comments on the bottom. No status reports were ever called for and there was no mandatory anything other than just sell the asset. I was valued and treated as a skilled professional by the asset owners. The list price was set and if someone , anyone made an offer in the first 24 hours that was close to the list price, well it was sold. No long drawn out drama filled waiting period or wild price expectations. All utilities were put directly into the asset owner’s name and mailed by the utility companies to that asset owner. I paid for nothing, billed nothing and was never expected to be responsible up front for a single thing the property required.

Fast forward to today. I am expected to have 5000.00 in reserve for each property I am assigned for repairs , past due taxes, past due HOA fees and anything else that may be required. I am expected to bill all my expenses and pay 5.00 per invoice, wait 6 weeks to 90 days or even longer to get reimbursed, Of course I can not charge interest or a service charge. Just lend the money free of charge to multimillion dollar corporations. I am expected to do weekly status and condition reports, weekly full property checks with pictures, monthly BPOs free of charge within 2 days of the request. Now that BPO is a 3 page form, more detailed than any full appraisal. It takes about 2 hours to complete and has some really ridicules demands as well. I now an expected to do cash for keys and even assist in evictions all free of charge. All utilities and security deposits for them are in my name and mine to pay. I now get 2% to 2.5 % commission maximum(many are a straight 1000.00 for any property 100 K and under) with a 140 to 175.00 charge per listing for platform fees at closing. Out of my commission I also pay a referral fee to the assignment or asset company. I have to carry 500,000, to 1 million E & O. Which is very expensive if you do CFKs or eviction work, which is mandatory for all REO agents. I also have to carry a personal liability policy for 4 million and show proof of both every 6 months to a year. I have to pay for at least one yearly background check. Pay a yearly platform fee of no less than 400.00 yearly . A yearly education course fee of no less than another 400.00 and now mandatory conferences at my expense no reimbursement and no escape from attending, they are mandatory! Now I have "report cards " with categories for everything from BPO % to DOM averages to Owner occupant versa investor sales. I am expected to print or buy all the asset owners marketing materials including signs and brochures for their mortgage divisions. Send them buyer leads , also known as recaptures and give them monthly reports of the leads I send. Now I am reduced to a non respected very used, controlled and low paid unwanted necessity in the REO world.

So every time I see or hear any agent say " How can I get into REOs?" I shake my head and say "be a greeter at Walmart. It is easier, much more profitable and yes you can keep your self esteem and even some dignity too."

Yesterday, today , what will it be tomorrow? Well my guess is an REO agent will be expected to work for free. Don't laugh or doubt it HUD actually did do this for a while. It is coming if we do not stop and say "No more!!" I am now devoting time to re establishing my conventional Real Estate practice. Let the starry eyed REO agent wanna bees have the REOs and let the asset owners ….well you know where I am going here.

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  • 100% TRUTH !! I've been doing REOs for 10 years, have seen and experienced everything you say. Its damn sickening. How do we turn it around? I too have been returning back to doing business the old fashioned way with "real" listings. Good luck to all of us !!

  • Love it!

  • Barb,

    Best thing I EVER read and every word the truth!!!!

  • I could not agree more.  How things have changed, have been REOing it since 2002.  Disguised and agree whole heartedly that WE MUST stand together on this,  this is crazy and getting worse by the day.  An income that you could  actually depend on has now evapulated, I dare say it is more then just the banks making these changes though, too much intervention instead of letting the free market go through its cycle like in the past times.  I could pull my hair out most days.  I am with all that want to make a stand on REO and BPO workl!    

  • Barbara I am so sorry your pain is what started my day on a high note. Best blog ever on REOs. I am lucky that in my area, the Silicon Valley there are virtually no REOs left, except a few over priced Fannie Mae Reo's scattered around. There is no decision to be made about whether to do them or not, or whether it is time to re build your traditional business. I would suggest you try Probate. You can use a lot of your skills with trash outs, selling homes "As-Is" and in bad condition, and having to educate other realtors on what to do to go through the process. You can even use your bank connections at the smaller banks who have trust departments.

  • I liked and agree 100% with your comments.  Unfortunately some BPO/REO companies now remind me of corporations before workers unionized.  They count on the long list of agents waiting to become REO agents and are "desperate" to get in on the REO action.  Be careful what you wish for..... you just might get it!

    Fortunately, there are still some decent AM companies out there!

  • Absolutely well said. I couldn't have said it better if I tried. Thank you for this post. OUTSTANDING!!!

  • Absolutely 100% accurate.  People think you're just handled listings and that's it... Lol...

  • You speak the truth Barbara. Thank you so much for posting what everyone should know!

  • I absolutely love this post. I am going to send this out to the entire database and feature on our network. 

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